The Language of Color Value

I was thinking about the difficulties of communicating color value. One idea I have seen tried elsewhere is using a DMC embroidery thread equivalent. The charts are relatively inexpensive (and useful for those who embroider) and would allow for an understanding of color without the variances in color calibration on different monitors. (The company I work for makes lots of money selling monitors and devices that can calibrate color to the advertising industries…) For those who don’t have a chart, a simple visit to the fabric store to look for the number might not be too difficult to achieve. There is also a chart(and maybe more) on-line:

http://yarntree.com/075dmcolors.jpg

This will work for quick reference, but if you have an actual chart, then we avoid monitor color variance, which is probably not a big deal for general discussion, but true color may be more important at fabric buying time.

I, for one, would be interested in the colors achieved by natural dyes. I know there are some books, like the ‘Dyer’s Garden’ IIRC have sample results. One of my weaving books has some samples – for example, I could then say that Byzantine Silk Weaving, AD 400 – 1200 says the Arabs used lichens to dye the color red – and “Weaving” by Shirley Held has a sample of rock lichen dyed wool, soaked in ammonia and water one week with no mordant – and the color is a very slightly purplish red, close to DMC 347. We could then all look at our charts and nod, or exchange information on actual projects and results in different books. Are DMC charts readily accessible in Australia and Europe?

I think I would put a color palette together for myself to take shopping. I will work towards getting a chart very soon. Perhaps someone who is well experienced with dying and proper period dyes might put together the basics for us – the range of woad, madder and weld?

And, I’m really curious – what color *is* Lincoln green?

~ Katrine / Katherine Barich
Message # 895, March 10, 2003

I’ve also heard of the colour chart idea and think it’s lovely. DMC threads are quite readily available in Australia, but I’ve never noticed the colour charts sitting out in very obvious places. Then again I never looked for one, so it could be hidden there in plain sight. I’ll enquire of friends who embroider more than once every 3 years. (I tend to buy embroidery thread to sew eyelets or similar. Last time I bought a length (the standard 8m) to try lucetting a cord for my dress – it made 67cm of cord when I need about 1.5m. <sigh> Who’da thought lucetting used so much thread.)

Re: putting together a color palette – the range of woad, madder and weld, etc.

I think someone already has – checking links:
ourworld.cs.com/_ht_a/constancefairfax/Claie.htm
this isn’t what I was really looking for though – this is a list of late period 16th C colours, and I’m not sure what they are based on. Not what i was hoping for.
hmm let me google:
http://www.treheima.ca/bryniau/local/artsandsciences/conquest.html — broken link

There is some colour charts there, I think (according to the bibliography) they are from:
Uzzell, Hazel, Dye Equivalents, Chronicle, Regia Anglorium quartly magazine Volume 11, Issue 4 (No 60) Winter 2000 01 (nice woad over weld green colour too 🙂 )

also: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cynewulf/Regia/dyes.htm — broken link
(text only, but opinions on dmc equiivalents)

http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/Bayeux-Tap-msg.text
DMC colours for Bayeux tapestry threads

And, I’m really curious – what color *is* Lincoln green?

Aren’t we all. Robin hood green???
I’m assuming you’ve seen:
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/green-art.html

~ Teffania / Tiffany Brown
Message #896, March 10, 2003


For Japanese Heian garb, Kass McCann gives wonderful charts that are compared to the DMC colours; makes it soooo easy to find the right colour and/or shade.

~ Elspeth Bouchannane / Jacki Frederick
Message #897, March 11, 2003

DMC colour charts are available in specialist embroidery/craft shops throughout New Zealand. Last time I looked they weren’t cheap and the colour samples are very small. : )
~ M Kinraid
Message #898, March 11, 2003