• Women’s Clothing - (A compendium of information from discussions on the 12th Century Garb Yahoo Group list.  This page is a catch-all.  For specific information on the bliaut, the Bliaut! page.  For veils, see the Headgear page.) Gowns Other Than a Bliaut "I am wondering what the older, less cutting edge of fashion, widow would be wearing. Welsh, Norman, Saxon, Viking...I like a simple 4 gore, squarish sleeve gown... nothing exciting, no set in sleeves or tight lacing... no lacing necessary, at all.  Will this fit our period?~ Gwen verch Rhys / Jennifer HillMessage #358, November 18, 2002"The simpler gown, without lacing, was apparently… …
  • Particolour, Sideless Surcoats - I have two questions: One, when did particolor come into vogue? Is it period for the 12th-13th centuries? Two, anyone that has Period Patterns 21 (14th and 15th century cotehardies and sideless surcoates), can you look at it and tell me if either the View IV or V surcoats might be carry-overs from the 12th-13th century? In other words, for those of you without the pattern that can answer this, was it period for surcoates of the 12th-13th centuries to have the skirt and bodice be of two different fabrics, with the top fabric evidently being fur? Thanks for any… …
  • Non-court Norman Clothing - Original Subject line: "Norman Cote" Hello All, I have quite a few questions to ask the evening. Being that I live 40 minutes away from a library, I hope that any of you would be glad to be my resources. 1) What sleeves are known to be used on a Norman cote? 2) Would a surcote be used? 3) What would a surcote look like? 4) What does a pelice look like? 5) What type of cloak would be used? (gored, rectangle, etc...) 6) What type of trimming would be used on all? (embroidery, etc...) 7) What type of collars… …
  • Getting Started in the 12th Century - (original subject line: Introduction Editor's Note:This thread is presented here in its entirety, but as the discussion ended up ranging over a number of topics, segments of the thread are also re-printed in the appropriate topic headings of this archive. Greetings, All! My name is Esther of Ennis Merth (aka Esther Reese), and I am returning to the SCA after an absence of ten or so years. I played pretty hard in An Tir before moving to Caid ten years ago, where a "mixed marriage" and terminal culture shock combined to make me "drop out". I moved to Ansteora (sp)… …
  • Corselet - And the corselet to help with the figure, is Pre-Raphelite, Norris perpetuated fiction? (*sniff*) Yes, definitely.~ Rowena / Belinda Sibly Message #842, February 24, 2003 …
  • Garment Lacing – Back vs Side - What about using placketed back lacing to help form the figure? Nope, side lacing. I've not been able to find any evidence for backlacing, but there is a fair bit for side lacing, and is not so much to control the figure but to make the fabric tight enough to show off the figure. Also no plackets as far as we can tell. ~ Rowena / Belinda Sibly Message #842, February 24, 2003 Is there something of a controversy between side laced and back laced? Yes, the controversy over the side vs back is primary sources versus poor secondary sources… …
  • Alternatives to the Bliaut for 12th Century Women - Note: a Bliaut usually made of silk and tightly laced. It was worn by young, thin, fashionable women. Those who were poorer, less fashionable, less thin or less daring wore looser cut gowns which appear to have gone by the names cote, chainse, or sucknie ~ Rowena / Belinda Sibly Message #847, February 25, 2003 That's what I was thinking. I don't have a figure that is thin and willowy -- curvy, yes. Plush, even!Ooo! I think I'm going to have to find out more about a sucknie. It just sounds... Great. :-D~ Esther of Ennis Merth / Esther Reese… …
  • More Suckenie Information - Hi all and Belinda especially, Got a nifty little doctoral thesis in on ILL -- Bezeichnungen Für FrauenKleidungsstücke Und Kleiderschmuck Im MittelNeiderDeutschen, Zugleich Ein Betrag Zur Kostümkunde by Gudrun Lindskog-Wallenburg.  This book quotes literary sources, inventories and sumptuary laws to date names of types of clothing in Middle Lower German. This mostly covers medieval to renaissance words. I wanted to post what this article had to say about the suckenie. It starts by talking about the 16th century terms in Northern Germany of assuke and suken, used from 1582 to about 1618. These were women's outer clothes of wool, generally… …
  • 12th century Finnish - As nearly as I can tell, this is our 12th Century. Has anyone done anything with this? Is there any research on this you can point me to? http://www.mlab.uiah.fi/Mulli/html/media/valokuva/e_puku.html ~ Esther / ED Reese Message #969, April 2, 2003 Finds from Grave IV of Kansakoulunm�ki Hill made it possible to research the typical of a wealthy12th Century lady wore on special occasions. One part of the dress was a skirt made of white woollen cloth. On top of that, there was a dark woollen shirt, that was fastened at the shoulders by bronze pennannular brooches. The upper part of the… …
  • More Nordic Wooden Sculptures - Finally I've uploaded some more Nordic pictures. They are in a photo album called “Wooden Sculpture”. My favourite Madonna, the one from Heda is there. BTW does anybody know how you do if you want to change the name of the photo album? I have some illuminations scanned that I want to add too, and then name doesn't make much sense. ~ Aleydis van Vilvorde/ Eva Andersson Message #1059, April 23, 2003 Madonna from Heda Thanks for sharing these! I note that all three Madonnas have the unusual neckline with a round piece that approximates where a keyhole neckline would… …