• Victorian Costumers - (A compendium of discussions on the 12th Century Garb Yahoo Group list.  Much of the early research into 12th costuming came from 19th art historians.  Unfortunately, their re-drawings tend to me romanticized.) Victorian medieval illustrations (Strutt) "I realize he is not the ultimate authority, but can be useful as a "jumping off" point.http://www.dragonbear.com/images/str039.jpg "Women of the 12th Century" Joseph R. Strutt "What's up with the reddish sleeve things? Just contrast cuffs sewn onto the middle of the sleeve, or the tight undersleeve of a matching kirtle underneath and the contrast cuff is at the end of the sleeve? http://www.dragonbear.com/images/str089.jpg"Supposedly 14th c and a little… …
  • Other garments in “The Accolade” painting - Other than the chainmail coif and mantle, my favorite garment in "Accolade" is the tunic the boy is wearing. Also the one Charleton Heston wore in "Warlord." Would those be OK for 1140 in England? Also, if you are wearing a nice dress (something that would look good at court) how do you wear a dagger? I feel naked without some steel, but it seems to clash with the dresses my friends have been making me lately. ~ Alexandra Message #757, January 24, 2003 While we ladies drool over the lovely white dress, my husband likes the look of the… …
  • Waterhouse’s “Lady of Shalott” Painting - I got my picture of the lady of Shalott down off my wall and examined it. The sleeves do look set in. I can barely make out the seam attaching the sleeve to the dress-- it’s on top of the shoulder, not dropped. The sleeves fit very close to the arm right up to the shoulder and the under arm. The checky pattern on the biceps looks more like and arm band than trim. It seems to sit on top of the dress. And, like the Accolade, the dress is closely fitted with no sign of side lacing. There are… …
  • Meeting on the Stairs – PRB painting - Greetings! I recently joined the list and only get to check my lists infrequently. Extra tidbit: As a group of us are sitting in the livingroom <grin> looking at The Accolade and reading your comments, one commented that of all the pre-raphaelite paintings he has seen, The Meeting on the Stairs has the most accurate portrayal of 12th C Norman garb. Now, her gown is more than a cote than a bliaut, but most of it is documentable/explainable. Can someone refer me to an earlier thread or speak to this question? ~ Kelda ferch Ystwyth Message #782, February 5, 2003 …