Trim or Embroidery?

Most of the websites I’ve seen recommend trim to embellish bliauts. Is this because it better replicates what was used or because it’s easier than embroidery? I have some trim that has a good pattern, but I also have some good patterns for my computerized embroidery machine. Which one is more appropriate, assuming that I’m not going for 100% authenticity?
~ Giovanna
Message #1030, April 17, 2003

I would guess that people use trim because it’s easier. The only thing that might replicate modern trim in period would be some sort of card-weaving, I believe, and I don’t know if we have evidence for cardweaving used in that way. I know there is evidence for using it to finish the edges, but I’m not certain about that being patterned – although there was a gentleman in the hall at EK Coronation putting tablet-woven patterned edging on a shirt during court.

Me, I’m crazy; I’m embroidering mine by hand. And if I don’t get cracking on it, it will be four years before I can wear it.
~ Brangwayna
Message #1032, April 18, 2003

I’m with Brangwayna on this one. I enjoy embroidery and now that I have a full enough medieval wardrobe, I’m a bit snobbish about any new garb I make. Machine made trim, while some of it is awesome, looks like machine made trim to me and I’d rather embellish it myself. And since I have no intention of learning anymore new hobbies in this great hobby of ours, card weaving is not in my close future (though I have to admit to trying it in the past.) Nothing makes one feel better than looking good in something you have created yourself.

~ Katerina la Bisbetica / Denise PS
Message # 1034, April 18, 2003

The period term for the decorative trims on Bliauts is Orfrios = Gold work. The term is now most often applied to elaborate embroidered trim used on ecclesiastical garments, and most of the existing period examples are also embroidered pieces from ecclesiastical garments, and almost always includes a lot of metal thread. However the trim we see on the statues and other artwork, which is referred to as “orfrios” in the literature definitely appears to be a type of trim, and there are strong arguments being put forward that it is indeed a type of cardweaving, probably brocaded tablet weaving. There are existing examples of cardweaving from this period. One is used to hem the Roger of Sicily cope.

To answer your question, trim both replicates what we most often see in the artwork, and it’s easier. The trim is not just decorative; it also helps tidily finish the seams. Assuming you are not going for 100% authenticity I’d go for making your own trim on the computerised sewing machine. Make sure to include some metal thread.

~ Rowena Le Sarjent / Belinda Sibly
Message #1052, April 21, 2003

The one feature I’ve noticed about many 12th century trims depicted in drawings or statues is that they are very linear. We have quite a few examples of 12th century brocaded tabletweaving used as edgings on ecclesiastical garb, but I’m sure there are also plenty of examples of embroidery.

The linear nature of such finishing trims in many cases, makes me wonder if, even when embroidery was used, it originated from trying to copy tabletwoven trim, which could be equally opulent (if not more so) but probably more hard wearing and reusable. If I’m correct, then I’d still look at what could be done in period tabletweaving as inspiration for what to embroider.

A lovely band of machine embroidery would look lovely. The other theorem is that it is easier to embroider a band of fabric and apply it to a garment than embroider the finished garment.

And I’m quite sure not everyone could afford gold. Silver tarnishes though, so doesn’t seem to be a popular choice.

As for which is most authentic – I still love tabletweaving (but then that’s also because I love weaving), but I’d say either embroidery or trim – it’s going to depend on the pattern. Embroidery based on a 12th century
example is going to be more authentic than a commercial trim with a nice pattern, but the patterns on some trims may be closer to period motif’s than the pre-programmed designs in your sewing machine, or a random design you think looks pretty. – In the end do what looks nice, we don’t seem to have a huge library of period trim designs yet.

~ Teffania Tukerton / Tiffany Brown
Message #1055, April 22, 2003